WHAT SHOULD WE EAT ? may be biaised).
But my conclusion is that fruits are the only ideal food for humans.
Fruits ? Vegetables ? Animal products?
This post is mostly about wether or not we should eat vegetables. I'll let you judge by the links provided (but search for other sources too, for those here

http://www.13.waisays.com/plants.htm
http://www.fibermenace.com/
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/vegetables.shtml

So these are 3 links provided by someone who eats only raw meat and raw animal products (raw eggs, milk, butter...) telling me that plants are toxic because 1) fibers are not edible 2) most of vegetables contain built-in pesticides/insecticides to naturally fight against predators/to prevent from being eaten.

From the 1st link :

We are not pigeons.

We are not cows.

Therefore we don't have a crop to digest cereals, nor 4 stomachs to gradually digest grasses or leaves.

Right... and are we tigers ? Are we lions or hyennas? No, therefore we don't have the special enzymes and short digestive tract to degrade animal proteins.
We are primates, and like the anthropoid apes we are designed to eat fruits. Most apes eat a diet composed of 99% plant-based food, (most calories come from fruits, the rest from greens) and 1% animal food (the insects on the greens they eat).

My opinion about fibers: I don't think they are harmful to health in adequate amounts. Just because they are not edible doesn't mean they are harmful. They are not useful to digestion itself (unlike many ignorants and dieteticians tend to say or think) - in fact, they slow down digestion and make it harder - but they are good for afterwards : to help get rid of the other wastes (cuz fibers are wastes).

My opinion about the self-defense elements found in plants to protect themselves against species who wish to eat them... Ok, so cows and other herbivores have the digestive system to deal easily with those subtances but we don't ? Why not? 4 stomachs ain't necessary. We have 2 stomachs (1 stomach in two parts) unlike carnivores, who have only one simple stomach. I think we can digest grains and vegetables quite efficiently, but not necessarily optimally (worse with meat and animal products. But we digest fruits optimally).

We have the pro-meat/anti-vegans people who say those molecules are harmful to humans. On the other hand, I've heard from vegetarian dieteticians that those defenses of the plants against insects, microbes and viruses and beneficial to us when we eat them; when we eat those plants those same molecules are then protecting us from viruses, etc, rather than harming us.

Some people say also that plants contain too much insecticides/pesticides sprayed by humans. Not if you buy organic products. If you eat animal products, what you eat is even more toxic because it stored much more insecticides in the animal flesh, after years of intensive feeding.

Those phytochemicals are used both as ingredients for insecticides as well as making supplements supposedly scientifically proven to be effective for their potential health-promoting properties on humans.

Whatever if vegetables are good or bad for us, I don't think some greens everyday can harm us, especially if you choose the ones with no 'harmful' molecules, but I think the optimal diet for humans is fruitarianism.
For those wondering if only fruits can provide enough proteins, you can visit this website for infos. http://www.thefruitpages.com/sugar.shtml We can also add a few nuts and seeds to add some proteins.

I think that the ideal, and natural diet for humans is a low-fat raw vegan diet, has presented in the book 'The 80/10/10 Diet' by Dr.Douglas Graham. It consists of mostly fruits, and raw vegetables, with small amounts of seeds, nuts and avocados.

What's funny is that the diet suggested on the 1st link provided by the anti-vegan guy, is a mostly fruit diet. All meals are fruits, and some raw nuts. The only thing which is not fruits is 1 or 2 raw eggs per day.
http://www.waisays.com/suggestions.htm

Disparate brings dissonance, osmosis brings harmony

Recently a cardiologist killed his 2 kids and then attempted suicide. His wife was out skiing for the week-end. When she came back she had no more kids. The cardiolog was an expert about heart but knew nothing about the mind, he didn't know he was depressed and he killed his kids... The cardiologist failed to kill himself with drug overdose and ended up at the same hospital he was working to, but his own hospital didn't want him so he was sent to another one.
This kind of things happens a lot here in Quebec: someone (usually a man - but often a mother too) kills all the kids before killing himself. Why ? Why can't you just kill yourself and leave the kids alone ? Marc Lepine shot 20 female students in 1989 at Montreal polytechnique... People lost touch with themselves. People don't live in a holistic way anymore, They don't gather all the facets of their own human being, body and mind, and they are disconnected from reality as well as the society and the other living beings around them, so when just one part fails to work properly, all their mind breaks, instead of repairing it with all the tools around them. But they are too weak to act on themselves only, because they all still connected to their own pathetic, material, insignificant life, so they need to remove another part, the most important one, of their own life : their kids; only after this they stop to exist and don't have any reason to continue on living so they commit suicide.

So nowadays people lost touch with the holistic aspect of life and everything is specialized. One studies the science of heart and knows nothing about the rest of human body. Another one knows feet. Another one about the health of teeth but not about the health of the whole body. Another specializes in reproductive organs... Doctors know about diseases, treatments, drugs, medicine and why we die but know nothing about health and how to stay healthy, they don't know anything about good nutrition.
Scientists say hot peppers are healthy because there is good molecules in it. But what about the other molecules ? And even dieteticans are playing the card of separating everything instead of looking at things as a whole. Take iron, Vitamin C, E, D, A, eat calcium, eat omega-3, zinc, magnesium...
NO : eat almonds, eat oranges, eat figs, dates, etc... We have dieteticians promoting alcohol consumption claiming it reduce cardio-vascular diseases, telling us to drink 1-2 cups of red wine everyday like alcoholics, and then after many years studies show that this doesn't have much benefits, not more than eating better, or regular physical activity. And then a recent study by the American National Cancer Institute (NCI) on 180,000 women says that women drinking those 1-2 drink of alcohol per day have 32% higher risks to developp breast cancer, and 50% increase for 3 drinks or more. Good for the heart and bad for the breasts ?? BAD FOR HEALTH !!!
Stop dissect everything, stop removing everything to keep just one thing, because it doesn't work like this. Synergy is essential to life. The universe is a whole, life is part of universe, we're part of the universe, and if you remove just one thing everything else will colapse.
Barack Obama's phrase "Yes We Can". Sure, but to be done, someone must do it. And only one person is not enough. Obama didn't say "Yes I can". The WE is of primary importance, it is everybody who must act in order to make things change.

LEO TOLSTOY:
Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself.

This is why you're fat

http://thisiswhyyourefat.com

Who likes sugar or chocolate on things like French fries or meat !? : Krispy Kreme bacon cheddar cheeseburgers, deep fried Mars bar, deep fried coca-cola, bacon donut... a tongue sandwich... wtf ? some bacon in ice cream, on cookies, a McDonald’s chocolate milkshake with BBQ sauce and garnished with a chicken McNugget. Sausage egg and cheese on a chocolate glazed donut... Is this evidence that meat-eating drives insane ?

6 Weeks Program

to boost metabolism (and burn fat)


Week

1. Reduce carb intake for 4 days.  Zero carbs for last meal each evening of the week. 
   
2. Add more cardio sessions (30-60 minutes) at least 3x/week. Increase protein intake, decrease carb intake. 
   
3. Reduce carb intake for 4 days. Zero carbs for last meal each evening of the week.
   
4. At least 2 cardio sessions (30-60 minutes) . Add a cardio session on empty stomach one morning or after a weight lifting session.
   
5. Cheat one day per week; eat more calories than what your body got used to. Add 50% more sets at training.
   
6. Take a break for 3 full days, then repeat program if necessary.
   

What veganism is to me

It's about doing good to me and around me.
It's about not harming myself, and not doing any bad to others.

When I'm hungry I'm naturally atracted by fresh fruits, like an apple or some strawberries, that will satisfy my hunger, my physiological needs, my desire for flavors and good tastes. Fruits are sweet and delicious.

I eat this because I want to.
I could eat meat if I wanted to. But I don't want to.
Why would I want to eat animals. Why would I need to put corpses and carcasses into my body? Who needs this? Nobody.

People force babies to eat meat. All babies are reluctant to meat.That's all natural. Offer an apple and a piece of meat, the baby will always choose the apple. That's a proven experiment that every parent can try at home.

Man has no claws, sharp teeths; nothing particularly agressive about the human body, we don't have a predator body. We don't have a killer instinct neither; unlike wolves and tigers, we're not natural born killers. Therefore we need weapons to hunt and kill, fire to cook. Man came before the axe or other tools, he couldn't have been omnivore or carnivore.
Fruits were on the planet way before tools. We couln't eat meat at the beginning. Because of climatic reasons and the impossibility to find anything that grows in trees or on the ground, at some times and some places, men needed to eat animal flesh in order to survive. Man is an opportunist animal, who will eat what it finds, anything which is edible, that's the survival instinct.
When man had a more developped brain, he invented agriculture, with more and more complex systems, there was always food available, and he ate less and less meat. There was no need to go hunt or kill. Larger societies formed, with poors and rich people. Meat reappeared in the diet, on the menu of the rich. 10kg of the food of the poor is needed to produce only 1 kg of food for the rich.

Today it's a big mistake to eat meat. People say that we always have been eating meat. Man made many mistakes during the history of mankind. One of them was to eat animals when there was other choices. Now it's getting worse and worse. Let's not perpetrate ad nauseam the mistakes of our past, but learn from the mistakes. Evolve.

Ideas of Books and other texts on veganism

If you wish to learn about veganism, with facts, evidencies, stats, here are some titles and authors...

All texts by Dr. Douglas Graham. Or Superior Nutrition by Dr Herbert Shelton, as well as all his other books or articles on the web, they're all incredible common sense.

Other books: Diet for a new america, Thrive, The China Study, or Living Foods for Optimum Health by Brian Clement.

For plenty of interesting links, studies, testimonies, etc about veganism, rendez-vous on veganbodybuilding.com, on the forum board or read the Quotes, Articles on nutrition, etc...

The Many Contradictions About Meat-Eaters

Here's just a few of the many contradictions in their stupid arguments. 
Often they contradicts with eachothers, often they will even contradict with themselves, always trying to oppose what's proven as a fact and evidency. 

Those who say it's impossible should not interrupt those who are doing it.
(author unknown)

So there's this guy, let's call him Johnny, who says he tried raw veganism for a couple of months. He says his health started to decrease dangerously, losing weight, etc.

Then he abandoned veganism completely to eat strictly animal products, raw. (What kind of vegan does that?!). Raw meat, raw eggs, raw milk, raw butter, raw cream. He claims he does this because it's the most normal, healthy and natural thing to do.
He says:
"I say a vegan diet is deficient because it is. There are no quality fat soluble vitamins which are abundant in butter, organ meats, and other animal fats. "

Yeah, as if products as fat as butter and cream were foods found in nature.  What vitamins is he talking about, A, D, E? There are very little vitamins in animal products; just some vitamin A in butter, which is not even a natural product, and too fatty. On the other hand, there's so many vitamins and minerals in fuits and greens that I often score between 250-500% of the daily values, clearly showing that those ridiculous recommandations were designed for a deficient diet. Just one poor carrot is already 250% of DV ! One head of romaine lettuce (600g) is 726% Vitamin A, 250% Vit. C, and 800% Vit. K, all this, for only 100 calories. Now in which animal products is there Vitamin C and K is sufficient amount, as well as all the other vitamins? Eggs have some, but go ahead, 4 eggs is already 300% of cholesterol. You should rather go fo avocado, sesame seed, almond or other nuts, broccoli, spinach, carrot, guava, cherries or other berries. Go ahead, compare those with meat, butter, etc... Go on nutritiondata.com and see which contains vitamins and minerals, and which contains none, but saturated fats and cholesterol.

"I've eaten beef I let rot in a jar for over a year... Yeah, it was rotten, really rotten. Didn't get sick."

That's good, Johnny Rotten, you are truly mentally illed.


Yeah, I heard a story like his, about a woman who left an article on the web, she mentioned similar symptoms, and the only things she mentioned about her vegan diet, was that she often fringed for rice cakes with vegan margarine on them. Then she blames veganism. Good for you, and good riddance, go back to your meat, vegans don't need you at all!

So here come the contradictions: 

Some will say "be a man, eat some meat", referring to the cavemen, I guess. Yeah, sorry, even if I don't like modern times so much, I prefer this than being a retarded cro-magnon eating raw meat in his cavern. Anyway, I guess they refer also to the act of killing the animal, which of course they avoid to do, paying mercenaries in slaughterhouses to have the job done for them. And the only persons who stay longer than a week working as an employee in a slaughterhouse are deranged psychopaths, or just stupid.
So some will say that we always ate meat...Then some others will say that we ate only fruits at the beginning, then it's only a few milleniums ago that we started to eat more meat, and that is responsible for the evolution of our brain to what we are now.

Some will say that vegan foods have too much calories, like nuts and all that, compared to yogurt, skimmed milk, lean meat, etc. Wrong, a vegan diet is perfect because you can find a large variety of foods, with different macros.  Fruits and veggies will always rule when it comes to fat loss, being the most calorie-low, high nutrients foods available...  Then some will say that vegan foods are not calorie dense and that someone on a vegan diet will automatically lose weight. Well, what meat or animal products are calorie dense except butter?? If you want to gain weight, eat some pastas, potatoes, rice, bagels, or even vegan junk food like chips, chocolate, or raw foods like avocado, nuts, seeds, bananas, dates; this is the most calorie dense food on the planet. If you lose weight, that's either because you're too fat, or because you don't eat enough, or not well enough. There's many skinny meat-eaters out there, and many morbid obese meat-eaters too. Most vegans are just fine. But there are some who are skinny, some are fat. 

Here's another guy who tried veganism but came back to meat, and only animal products, fearing fruits and veggies, but contradicting himsel:

"I tried and tried to be raw vegan and vegetarian to the point I was physically ill." ... "The diet made me deteriorate into a horrible condition. My body screamed for beef and cream. I ignored it till the point my hair fell out, my joints and muscles were in constant pain, and had constant lethargy." ... "This is my experience of myself. I don't care about what anyone anywhere eats. This is just my story of being raw vegan for 6 months. As far as what I ate when I was on the raw vegan diet, raw fruits, raw vegetables, raw nuts and raw seeds. "

He changed completely his discours, and agreed with me when I told him that I have so much energy on a vegan diet that I always move, doing long endurance rides, or strength exercices, and I need less than 5 hours of sleep...

"I was already 100% raw vegan. I too had to bicycle 500-700kms a week when I was a raw vegan because I was SO STRESSED from consuming so much fresh fruit. The energy was horribly inconsistent and I had dramatic fluctuations of energy and fatigue. I also HAD TO eat a meal every hour. I was always hungry. It was clear that my constant hungry was that I was not getting what I needed from the diet. "

Well, I have all the energy, without the fatigue periods, except when I'm tired and go to sleep. It's been 5 years of "vegetarianism", with fish, cheese, yogourt, some eggs, but no milk. God I hated to eat those, but I was forcing myself to. And I did not have the energy that I have now, after one year of veganism (nor had I as an omni). But I was doing exercices too as an omni and as vegetarian, stress has nothing to do with that.
...How the hell is it possible to be stressed from fruits? They're the most relaxing foods on Earth, full of vitamins, antioxydants, anti-stress. Meat is stress, stress from the slaughtered animal, and stress to the body who then needs to deal with that rotten piece of corpse. Constant stress for the immune system trying to heal the organism after each time a pice (even a small one) or meat, fish, milk, whatever, is swallowed and enters the body like a billion of viruses installing cancer. 

Eating lots of fruits and vegetables, I don't need to drink water, except if I do lots of endurance training. Fruits and greens : 70% water and more. Just like the planet. Just like our bodies. That should give you a hint. I don't need to drink the toxic tap water from cities, or worst, from suburbias, or the spring water at 2$ per plastic bottle. Now who on a non-vegan diet can do this? If you eat only raw meat, like some freaks do, the muscles from meat contains lots of water, which is not removed by cooking. But not enough, and you would still need to drink lots of water, to help your organism and kidney to deal with the metabolism and metabolytes of all those animal proteins.

So, some say that the Bible prone veganism, others say not. Some say Jesus was vegetarian, some others say he ate fish and lamb. Who cares? Some say that Einstein was vegetarian, while he wasn't. Some others say Hitler was vegetarian, while he wasn't. Which meat-eater will admit that eating meat involves the act of killing, and that it is judged immoral, and is one of the Ten Commandments, "thou shalt not kill".  I personally don't care about religion and what the Bible says. But if some people have faith in those writings but act the opposite way... well I hope they know where they will go burn, just like the hundreds of animal corpses they burned all their life! ahah. The Ten Commandments were written by men, not god. It is a good guideline to follow, in order to honour Life. Some people just don't care. So the modern, perverted men, changed the Ancient writing; in the New Testament, we now see "you shall not murder", to permit the killing of other creatures than humans... technically : speciesm.  

What were ancient people eating?

People nowadays think that we always have been eating meat... Why would we have been eating meat? There were no ridiculous dietiticians saying : You need to eat meat. A vegan diet is deficient".  People were rarely eating meat. It wasn't convenient at all to hunt and try to store meat, there were no fridge and freezer. On the other hand, preparing and eating sprouted/cooked cereals, grains, etc was easy and practical. The coutune to make bread is thousands of years old, and it was the base of the diet of many nations. For others it was rice.  

Video about the ancient vegetarian diet: "Famous Vegetarians: from Buddha to the Beatles" - Rynn Berry"

It also talks about Hitler, his falonny vegetarianism. Hitler: nor vegetarian nor animal lover. His favorite dish was a carnivorous dish consisting of pigeon, with the tongue and everything, stuffed with eggs and dairies !



http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Gladiators-Actually-Fat-Vegetarians/Article/200404113050005?lpos=Home_Article_Related_Content_Region_4&lid=ARTICLE_13050005_Gladiators_Actually_Fat_Vegetarians


Gladiators Actually Fat Vegetarians

"Tests performed on bits of bone taken from the skeletons of some 70 gladiators buried at Ephesus seem to prove that they ate mainly barley, beans and dried fruit," said Karl Grosschmidt, a forensic doctor who took part in the study by Austria's institute of archeology.
"This diet, which has been mentioned in the oral history, is rather sad but it gave the gladiators a lot of strength even if it made them fat," he said.

He (Kanz) believes that because some gladiators fought with little more than their bare hands, they could have "cultivated layers of fat to protect their vital organs from the cutting blows of their opponents."

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It has also been demonstrated, by analizing the DNA of proteins found in fossilised excrements of different prehistoric ages, that our ancestors, of different eras and places, were eating mostly plant-based foods. In fact, most proteins found are from crushed nuts, seeds, shoots, roots, grains and vegetables, with very little or usually no traces of animal proteins. This discovery changed completely the way scientists and anthropologists see our ancestors, and therefore us.

Meat eaters are strange...

A meat-eater was stunned when she saw me eating a kiwi. Just because I was eating the skin too. So in this world, people eat animal carcasses, but they're repelled by eating a fresh fruit. They eat animal corpses, dead since many days, and processed meat like sausages that contains nasty organs she's not even aware of. She didn't know that the candies she's eating  are gelatin based (then she was horrified that kids eat this, and her own kid "but they can't do this to kids?")... well, seems like they do it...  And then she's repelled by a fruit, just because the skin is a bit rough and hairy. Well I prefer eating some nice colorful fruit skin rather than some intestines of a cow. 


A though I had: 

Humans kill 53 billion animals per year... If it would be animals who would do this to humans, at the same rate but without forcing us to reproduce, there wouldn't be a single human left on Earth after just a couple of months. 

The Truth about Meat

"Meat itself does not have taste nor smell so we fry, cook, and season it to improve its taste. When meat is processed, it releases about 20 poisonous substances that can cause damage to blood vessels and the nervous system.The digestion of meat requires large amounts of vitamins and microelements. If we do not eat adequate amounts of raw vegetable salads together with meat, digestion is incomplete and the undigested meat putrefies in our intestines. The putrefaction processes increase the alkalinity of our large intestine, which leads to blood acidity. Alkaline environment promotes the development of diseased cells (especially cancerous). Those who excessively consume meat are the prime candidates for cancer."

Read full article "The Truth about Meat/The Time Bomb" on care2 website by clicking here.




Researcher Ethel R Nelson MD says meat eating is at the root of many health issues:

"For about the past twenty-five years, researchers in human nutrition have pointed to the unrefined plant dietary as a more ideal food than animal products. They have designated the Western world's high-fat animal product, fibre-poor, refined diet as the chief cause of so-called "Western diseases", e.g. coronary heart disease, diabetes, obesity, gallstones, appendicitis, diverticulitis of the bowel, hiatus hernia, hemorrhoids, osteoporosis, kidney disorders, varicose veins, cancer, and accelerated sexual development in children.

Some of today's most prevalent and devastating diseases in the United States have now been credited to excessive consumption of meat and animal products (milk, cheese, eggs) and insufficient ingestion of plant foods."

Some of today's most prevalent and devastating diseases in the United States have now been credited to excessive consumption of meat and animal products (milk, cheese, eggs) and insufficient ingestion of plant foods."

Harvey Diamond explains that humans are not natural carnivores:

"A carnivore's teeth are long sharp and pointed - all of them! We have molars for crushing and grinding. A carnivore's jaws move up and down only, for tearing and biting. Ours can move from side to side for grinding. A carnivore's saliva is acid and geared to the digestion of animal protein; it lacks ptyalin, a chemical that digests starches. Our saliva is alkaline and contains ptyalin for the digestion of starch. A carnivore's stomach is a simple, round sack that secretes ten times more hydrochloric acid than that of a non-carnivore. Our stomachs are oblong in shape, complicated in structure, and convoluted with a duodenum.

A carnivore's intestines are three times the length of its trunk, designed for rapid expulsion of animal proteins, which quickly rot. Our intestines are twelve times the length of our trunks and designed to keep food in them until all nutrients are extracted. The liver of a carnivore is capable of eliminating ten to fifteen times more uric acid than the liver of a non-carnivore. Our livers have the capacity to eliminate only a small amount of uric acid. Uric acid is an extremely dangerous toxic substance that can wreak havoc in your body. All meat consumption releases large quantities of uric acid into the system. Unlike most carnivores and omnivores, humans do not have the enzyme uricase to break down uric acid.

A carnivore does not sweat through the skin and has no pores. We do sweat through the skin and have pores. A carnivore's urine is acid. Ours is alkaline. A carnivore's tongue is rough, ours is smooth. Our hands are perfectly designed for plucking fruit from a tree, not for tearing the guts out of the carcass of a dead animal as are a carnivore's claws."

Some more exerpts from the featured article on care2 "the truth about meat/the time bomb"

The digestion of meat needs large amounts of vitamins and microelements that are taken from the child’s blood. Depleted levels of these substances cause the development of hidden anemia and blood diseases. Ironically, all kinds of allergies, eczemas, and other disorders typical for the age of puberty are usually the result of our parents’ well-intended care. Unaware of the dangers, they cause damage to their children’s health by including too much meat in the diet.

...Eastern philosophy teaches that each food product we consume contains information about its place of birth and development: - the climate, the exposure to sunrays, moonlight, etc. What kind of information can be contained in meat? (Cattle) They are raised their entire lives without sunlight or fresh air. Instead of eating fresh, juicy grass, they are fed hormones and various synthetic feeds.

...Faced with aggression and driven by fear, a slaughtered animal’s body produces large amounts of poisonous hormones, which we consume later as we enjoy our steaks. No wonder that both adults and children become increasingly aggressive and hot-tempered. Aggression always breeds aggression - this old truth is confirmed by the results of high meat consumption.

what's food and what's not

There's a difference between fruits and meat. One is a food offered by nature, the other one is a waste of the nature. Corpses are only food for the necrophagous and detritivores. When a fruit is ripe and falls from the tree, it means it is ready to be eaten, and from this moment it's only destiny is to be eaten, or to rot in the next few days. When an animal is dead, it is food for the parasites, the carnivores and all the vermin.

Eggs are not food it's a chick. Milk is natural food for calves, surely not for humans. It's not even normal for an adult to drink human breast milk, let alone cow's milk. Why don't you drink the milk of your cat or dog directly from her tits like a kitten or a puppy?

So-called nutritionists and dieteticians will say you need milk. Excuse me? We don't need cow's milk, we don't need the milk of snakes or the milk of any other animal. Dr. Herbert Shelton said that adults who still drink milk are eternal runts. That's right. Grow up for Christ's sake !

All dairies are surely not what we can call "natural food" since it's not even found in the nature. There are no cheese, cream, butter or ice cream in nature. These are all concentrated fats made milk. Cheese is just a fermentation of a concentration of the casein proteins found in milk, in which we add salt and rennet (veal stomach) and let this mixture grow old for several months.

Fruits! Fruits! Fruits!

I'm becoming fruitarian, or frugivore, raw vegan, call it what you want. I've tried a while ago, with no success at all. It simply wasn't the time for me. But it's now set in my mind, the transition is already made in me. Eventhough I still eat pastas, rice, cooked yams, carrots, etc... I know that soon, once I have no more of these stuff I mentionned, I'll be eating only fruits. Small quantities of seeds and nuts, like half a cup per day (they're fruits too, or part of fruits), and greens, raw veggies. Some are vegetable-fruits (cucumbers, avocado, zuchinis, tomatoes, etc), some are simply vegetables (spinach, kale, lettuce, brocoli, etc). But those green salads, in which I'll add that daily portion of nuts, are less than 5% of total daily calories intake, that's why it is still a fruit based diet. But maybe I'll feel perfectly comfortable with only pure fruits,  the fresh and juicy ones. 

Raw

How can an athlete thrive on only fruits or fruits with just half a cup of nuts per day? Ain't that not enough of proteins? Well, not really. 

First of all, seeds, nuts, and even greens, are all part of a fruitarian diet, because anyway they're fruits (nuts are oleaginous fruits) or part of fruits (seeds). While greens are not fruits (except cucumbers, zuchinis, tomatoes, etc are vegetable-fruits) but they're like 5% of the calories of the day, while fruits are 95%.  If not, then it's not a fruitarian diet. 

The biggest benefit of a fruit diet is the pure energy you get : fruits contain natural sugar that can be almost instantly utilized as energy by your organism, and we all know that glycogen is the ONLY energy for the body. Everything else than fruits need to transformed with long digestion, requiring lots of your energy, only to be used as energy afterwards. That's a loss of time and energy. 

So, let me get back to my first point: how is it possible to gain muscle or maintain lean mass on just fruits or any food high in proteins? That's because it is raw. We say that there's "x" grams of proteins in "y" food, but to study this food, we need to cook it. And we all know that cooking destroys most of the vitamins. But it doesn't destroy only this, but everything. The healthy fats become toxic because their molecular structure become unstable and they lose their balance; heat also modifies the nature of the carbohydrates and can change it's glycemic index (GI); when you cook food, you also lose some of the proteins... for fish you can lose 22% of the lysine. When you refine wheat or any other cereal, you lose about 20% of it's proteins too.  Raw foods always contain way more proteins than what's written on it's label when you buy it. 

No wonder bodybuilders on a cooked diet are being told to eat 250-500 grams of proteins per day. No wonder that raw athletes succeed without any foods high in proteins. Because basically ALL food contain proteins. Fruits contain only 1% proteins, but it's top quality amino acids, just like breast milk, which contains also 1% proteins. Greens are very high in proteins, in terms of calories, but we never think about it, because people are used to eat no vegetables, or just as a condiment.  And they eat fruits as a dessert, or they cook a slice of orange with the duck in the oven. 


http://www.thefruitpages.com/sugar.shtml

Tim VanOrden; this guy is simply a genius. All you need is some common sense.

Did you know?

Found this on the web...


DIET

Did you know...


At many fast-food restaurants, a single meal gives more than two times the recommended daily intake of fat, cholesterol, salt, and sugar?

Worldwide - more than 1 billion adults are overweight, and at least 300 million of them are obese?

Addiction to drugs, alcohol, smoking, sex, gambling or work may be an expression of the fact that people are unable to handle presence and intimacy?

The air inside the typical home is on average 2-5 times more polluted than the air just outside - largely because of household cleaners and pesticides?

Most people spend 90 percent of their time indoors?

Many people remain concerned about the effects of lifelong exposure to the chemicals in sanitary products such as e.g. tampons?

App. 300 million people will be suffering from diabetes in 2020?

50% of deaths in the world are linked to diet, tobacco and lack of physical exercise?

Eating disorders affect 70 million individuals worldwide?

Partly due to chemical pollution 14% of European couples are now affected by fertility problems?

In 1992, economists estimated that health problems caused by pesticides led U.S. health care costs to increase by $786 million each year?

Sugar triggers the production of the brains natural opioids, and the brain becomes addicted i the same way as with morphine and heroine?

12 million US citizens are addicts of gambling?

Medication against shyness and an anti-shopping pill are some of the later news from the medicine-industry?

In 2001 the Danes ate more than 54 million daily doses of anti-depressants?

1 out of 4 persons who recieve anti-depressants could have been without them?

In Sweden the costs of stress-related diseases and their consequenses was 80 billion kr. in 2001?

Half the world live on less than $2 a day - an EU-cow gets approx. $2 a day in farm subsidies?

99% of American families with children work 47 hours per week. 56% also work in the
weekends. 72% work overtime?

The average father spents the same amount of time shopping for groceries as for looking after his children, 24 minutes a day?

It would approx. cost $ 6 billions to provide basic education for all - world military expenditures in 2001 were estimated at $2.3 billion a day?

You receive at least 2000 inputs from commercials every day in the public space?

The average lifetime of a mobilephone is 1,5 years?

In the UK 52.649 incidences with a racist motive where reported to the police in 03-04?

In the United States, the annual spending on private security reached $52 billion in 1990, compared with a $30 billion budget for the countrys policeforces?

It is being estimated that from 2010 consumers will be introduced to aprrox. 500 million new products per year?

The western population comprimises only 20% of the worlds total population but consumes approx. 80% of the worlds resources?

Only 9 cent of each dollar spent at conventionel food markets goes to the farmer?

In Hungary and Estonia people spends 50% of their free-time watching television?

The developing world now spends $13 on dept repayment for every $1 it recieves in grants?

The anti-spam producers ”Spamfighter” protects people in 207 countries from spam and daily 1000 new users subscribe?

According to a large group of leaders the most important quality the ”leader of tomorrow” has to have is empathy?

The market for ”silence retreats” is rapidly growing? 20% of the people in the world account for 86% of total private consumption expenditures?

Globally in 1998 the consumption of oil amounted to 11 billion litres of oil a day?

By burning fossil fuels, people released some 6.44 billion tons of carbon into the atmosphere in 2002?

The total weight of fossil fuels and chemicals used to produce a 2-gram memory chip is 630 times the weight of the chip itself?

By 2005, consumers worldwide will have stockpiled approx. 500 million cell phones that are likely to end up in landfills, where they could leach as many as 142 tons of lead?

Only 0.6% of the approx. 5000 billion plastic bags, that factories around the world produced in 2002, were recycled?

According to a study, the annual cost of environmental damage caused by industrial farming in the U.S. is $34.7 billion?

A comparison of the nutritional content between organic and factory farmed, conventional vegetables showed organic produce to have higher nutritional value?

Out of the 250,000 species of higher plants, only 2-5% have actually been studied for medicinal use?

We lose about one plant species every day? Last year more than 70 billion 1/2 litre nondegradable plasticbottles were produced worldwide for the market for tapped bottle water?

A study of over 8,200 university field trials showed that farmers growing GMO soybeans use 2-5 times more weed killer than farmers growing natural varieties?

1 kg of organic bluberries flown from new Zealand to England use 10.738 grams of CO2 in transport. 1.3 billion people have no access to clean water?

Water’s global availability has dropped from 17,000 cubic metres per capital in 1950 to 7,000 today?

Three generations; grandmother, mother and daugther have at least 18 manmade chemicals in their bodies?

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Hannibal

SOMEONE CREATED AND POSTED THIS IMAGE... what the hell is that? 

OK... I'm a vegetarian (more precisely, a vegan), and... explain what ? I see some teeth... what is their to explain ? Oh I see, you're talking about canines and incisors...
You mean... LIKE THESE :



... ?? ... AND ALSO THIS :


And these...



The teeth thing... The guy that created the pic  on top of this post is mentally illed and should be imprisoned.
There's corpse-eaters that will try to find all the wicked excuses in the world to try to prove they're right and that humans are supposed to be carnivore, that meat is the base of the original diet, and that basically all vegetarians and vegans are wrong and doing some kind of metaphysical mistake... (By the way, the original diet of humans is fruitarianism. We've almost never found any animal proteins DNA in fossilized prehistoric men excrements, but always vegetal proteins in large amounts. Even if cavemen did it some meat -- to survive-- it is not necessary anymore, now that food is easily available. If man was eating meat before, it is not a reason to perpetuate indefinitely their mistakes. EVOLVE. If you wanna use the Cro-Magnon man and the Neanderthal man as your role model, go ahead, but you're kind of a retard if you do this and behind the times). That's it, go back to when we had no brain. 

So guess what, they use some of the facts that prove we are not designed to eat meat, and they reverse these facts to their advantage ! ahahaha ! Vegetarians use the teeth reason to prove we're not carnivores, because manifestly our canines our pathetic, shorter than even our molars, while carnivores have long sharp molars and canines. Some meat-eaters will say our teeth are like those of wolves... What ? Perhaps you need new eyes, or you're just a fucking liar with bad faith. We have a dentition of horse.  There's even many people with huge teeth in the front like rabbits. But some carnivores say: look we have canines ! well what did you think ? We have canines, fruitarian animals have canines, carnivore animals surely have some, herbivores animals too. Someone even claimed our body is more similar to wolves than primates like chimpanzee and gorillas. This guy needs a new brain, or perhaps his perception of reality is altered by warewolves stories.  But it's ridiculous, you can't go bite in a cow with a human dentition, lol. It will tear your teeth and your gum will bleed, while the cow will laugh at you and shit on your face.
Noticed there are two animals in these pics that are not carnivores ? Yes, the dog, is an omnivore, while the cat is a pure carnivore. Means the dog can easily live without meat, not like his cousin the wolf.
Noticed that there's a vegan/fruitarian animal among these above ? The gorilla. Look at these canines, yet, gorillas never eat meat.

It shows that teeth are not always a reliable indicator for which diet is the best. You can judge by all the other anatomy similarities with primates and humans, clearly showing that we're perfectly adapted to a diet based entirely on fruits, and meat will rot in our stomach and intestines for 3 days, while the meat leave the body after 3 hours in the case of carnivores. They also have special enzymes and good bacterias that we don't have and which are designed to kill bad bacterias contained in raw, rotten meat; these bacterias would kill us in no time, so we cook meat, to kill them. 

"You can't tear flesh by hand, you can't tear hide by hand. Our anterior teeth are not suited for tearing flesh or hide. We don't have large canine teeth, and we wouldn't have been able to deal with food sources that required those large canines."

--Renowned anthropologist, Dr.Richard Leakey (Neal Barnard, The Power Of Your Plate, Book Publishing Company: Summertown, Tenn., 1990, p.170)

Scroll down on this page until you see the board with compared anatomy and physiology. To be more accurate, they should have put also the informations concerning fruitarian animals, because we are more similar to those than the herbivores. We are not herbivores nor omnivores or carnivores, but fruitarians.

We don't have long and sharp teeth, we don't have claws. Our body is innoffensive with nothing particularly dangerous; to prove it just try to measure yourself against any carnivore predator -- he'll show you and teach you what's a carnovore, by ripping your arms and legs and tearing your flesh and then eating your whole body raw in a single meal. Humans who eat meat are capricious and picky, they will eat lean meat. If you claim you're a carnivore, then do it right: eat like a carnivore : kill your prey yourself, eat it raw and the whole body, including all the organs and intestines, brain, etc. 

Unlike natural carnivores, we are physically and psychologically unable to rip animals limb from limb and eat and digest their raw flesh. Even cooked meat is likely to cause human beings, but not natural carnivores, to suffer from food poisoning, heart disease, and other ailments. http://www.geocities.com

If you try all this: First of all, you won't even be able to catch and kill a prey, at least not everyday or enough to survive. Second, you will puke while trying to stuff the bloody guts into your own guts. 

Eating corpses is SICK and in fact cause many degenerative diseases due to intoxication.  You poor necrophagous, your eating habits are based on ignorance and this will cause your untimely death.

There's some maniacs, killers and mercenaries who want to make us become carnivores so they can make profits. And the doctors will tell you meat is necessary, so they can seel you their pills. But you will never heal, unless you stop eating meat and animal products and believing in an illusion of cure by drugs and surgeries. 



Dr. Herbert Shelton says that all carnivores, insectivores, parasites, necrophagous and detritivores are not normal and are pathological cases. All these animals that spread pain and do evil, they can't do anything without killing. These diets based on morbidity are degenerative and inevitably leads to extinction because they owe their survival on the behalf of others. 

Specialists and great minds also clearly pointed out that eating meat leads to cannibalism at some point (humans already experienced cannibalism at different times and in different areas and nations, even right now).

Socrate also predicted since long ago that eating meat cause wars and violence, for territory... countries fight to cut the forests of other countries to install pastures for cattle feeding... until the overpopulation and demand will be too grand... leading eventually to cannibalism...  a future ressembling like Soylent Green is not far away. By the way you can watch the entire movie for free here. 

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2004/04/07/meat040407.html
CBC news article : Martin says anti-meat ads 'unacceptable'

"Prime Minister Paul Martin on Wednesday condemned an animal rights campaign linking the eating of meat to the murders of women in British Columbia.
Billboards in Toronto and in Edmonton paid for by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals show pictures of a woman and a pig accompanied by the slogan, "Neither Of Us Is Meat."

The allusion is to the women who disappeared during the 1990s in the Vancouver area. Port Coquitlam pig farmer Robert Pickton has been charged in the deaths of 15 women."

Diet/DNA/Exercise

I post this, inspired by the discussion on vbb forum, in search of the ideal workout routine.

When we watch a bodybuilding video on utube about Arnold for instance , we often see in the comments someone just saying:"genetics", then someone saying "hard work", and finally someone saying "combination of good genetics and hard work".

I'm not saying that good genetics aren't important. We're made of what's encoded in our DNA. Of course it is important, but once we're created, what's done is done. Only Diet and Exercise can make a difference between 2 identical twins. We're not all twins in the population, but we're very similar overall.

The workout program defines the body. The genetics defines the limits. Thing is, very rare are the people who reach their potential limits, so genetics are not so important. Of course, good genetics can help achieve a certain goal easier and faster, with less effort. Still, it's the exercises and nutrition that will build this physique. I'm not talking about details. The encrypted code in your DNA will define how your skin look like, muscles, etc. But most people have a similar code.

Let's make an analogy with building a body and building a house. Arnold was saying he saw himself as an artist creating a sculpture, putting some clay here and there to shaphe the muscles the way he wanted them.

The DNA is the first architect of the body, or the foundation of the house, the nature of the soil on which it is built.

The bodybuilder is the worker of his body (house).
The workout program, the dumbells and weight machines are the tools (hammer).
The foods are the materials (nails, clay, etc).

All DNA are different for each person. Usually with just small differences. An infinite numbers of small differences, that are not so important when it comes to desigh the perfect workout routine. There's different ideal workout plan for different goals, different disciplines or sports, or for different body types. When I mean body types, I mean male/female, or very small versus very tall, etc. But the workout of Mr. America may be perfect for most bodybuilders too.

The shitty houses, it's not necessarily because of the architect, it may be because of poor materials(foods, weights) or workers (the bodybuilder).
Genetics are rarely to blame or the opposite. We've found a person with a gene that makes him immune to AIDS, but he's the only person discovered with this.

There's no identical DNA (except perfect twins), but we're all built around the same model, all coming from the same origin.
Most houses or cars are similar, because they're from the same models, with small differencies: the material used (foods for the body) and the quality of the workers (us).

The True Medecine Man

Let me take a few minutes of your life to talk to you about a real hero: Dr. Herbert M. Shelton. He took care of hundreds and hundreds of sick persons in his fasting center, curing severe diseases with fasting with water or natural, living foods. For him, health is the greatest wealth of man, and it was important for him that he spread his message, by doing conferences and writing books.

I've only read 2 of his books yet, Food combining made easy and Superior Nutrition, but it is good, it makes sense all the way.

LINKS
You can read a selection of some of his articles here.
A resumé of his good food combining rules.
A biography
I think you can listen to lectures of some of his books there, haven't checked yet
Go on RawFoodExplained.com, there is some interesting articles by Shelton :
The Paradise Diet
The Elements of Nutrition

He wasn't selling any products or promoting pills of medecine or artificial vitamins. What he promoted was living foods (fruits, greens, nuts), exercise, rest, sun, pure water, fasting, a peaceful mind... For him, the health is in the body. Diseases come from the outside, like bad foods, who are poisons that intoxicate the body. Good foods are not medecine, they're only supporting the body, by providing only what's essential to maintain an healthy life. To be healthy and to stay healthy, it is useless to ask the scientist or the chimist; one must nourrish himself from all the essential nutrients that Nature offers.

He didn't believe it is possible to be cured with drugs and poisons, like the multi-billionnaire pharmabusiness try to make us believe. He promoted a "drugless healing", by removing the causes of the symptoms, rather than trying to kill the symptoms, which will always reappear if we don't solve the problem at it's source.


Short Biography from wikipedia.  This  article denigrates Shelton and reduce his life to prison sentences. His life was way more than this, he's the one who contributed the most to hygienism, he's known as "The Father" of the Hygiene movement eventhough he is not the founder of it. The article doesn't say he saved hundreds of lives but mentionned that one or two died, one from an heart attack. How many people die in hospitals ? at least a hundred each day. The whole wikipedia article is from this site, using only the texts about his mistakes, and leaving the exploits he accomplished. I suggest you to read it there then. 


This explains why he's been arrested so many times, rarely trialed, kept in jail for many weeks, one time for 10 months, (he always use this to fast and write), it was always " in New York, for "practicing medicine without a licence." The great irony is that Dr. Shelton would never "practice medicine"! Still, that is what the authorities call it when someone tells people how to live, how to sleep, how to eat, and how not to take medicines!"
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/shelton.bio.bidwell.htm


Notes about the wikipedia article:

"The majority of this article is copied almost verbatim from another site (with the exception of my addendum of Dr. Shelton's cause of death). The article seems to me to be top heavy on Dr. Shelton's personal mistakes rather than accentuating the multitudinous successes which he experienced. Recent scientific discoveries are now demonstrating that Dr, Shelton was WAY ahead of his time. These negative statements made in this Wikipedia article have been distributed in other areas of the Internet which is unfortunate since the art and science of fasting is an invaluable source of healing for many people who have exhausted other medical and alternative therapies for restoration of their health as well as finding relief from PTSD. I feel an overwhelming sense of responsibility in distributing the word that an alternative option exists. I have seen many people who were given the death sentence by the medical profession make a stunning recovery through fasting and these recoveries have been medically documented." - CWatchman on Wikipedia

Nutrition Facts

AGRO-FARMING, AGRO-BUSINESS
Half of antibiotics goes to livestock. Pharmaceutic companies make billions by selling to agro-farming

MILK
Free, in nature, a cow can produce up to 5 liters of milk per day.
But confined by humans, and stuffed with drugs, a cow can produce up to 44 liters per day.

animals killed for food in the US only

27 billions/year
2 billion/month
700 000/ day
863/ seconds

• British send 5000 horses to the slaughterhouse each year. In Canada, it is several hundred of thousands.
  

• Sometimes as much as 90 000 chickens are in the same warehouse. The battery cages are worse. 
  
• IBP, Kansas, the largest slaughterhouse in the world. 6000 cows killed every day. Trucks arrive all day long like in a vision of the Holocaust.
  
• Each year in Canada and USA, over 7 billion animals are killed for their flesh. Excluding fish.
  

MEAT
1950-2000
In 50 years, human pop. Doubled, but meat consuption 5 times
In 50 years, fish consumption went up by 600% in the U.S
Americans now eat as much chicken in a single day as they did in an entire year in 1930.

HEALTH
The average North American sperm count has dropped over 25% since 1975
The average American has stretched their stomach to 2 or 3 times its normal size.
Type 2 diabetes accounted for 2 to 4 percent of all childhood diabetes before 1992, but skyrocketed to 30 to 50 percent by 2004.
The prevalence of obesity quadrupled in the past 25 years among boys and girls

Currently 15% of the U.S. population. In minority youth, this statistic climbs to 20%.
Agri-business and food processing account for 60% of US oil consumption.
In 2006, 1.5 million Americans died from dietary related diseases at a cost of $800 billion.

• Cholesterol: typical daily dietary intake is 200–300 mg in the United States and societies adopting its dietary patterns. 
  
• A 2007 study pooling data on almost 900,000 subjects in 61 cohorts demonstrated that blood total cholesterol levels have an exponential effect on cardiovascular and total mortality, with the association more pronounced in younger subjects 
  

There is no cholesterol in plant-based foods


Allergies and Diseases
About three million Americans are severely allergic to soy protein, wheat protein, peanut protein and many other products used by farmers to grow their cattles. These animals would normally just eat grass and they are not designed to digest these types of foods. High concentrates of these foods go in milk and meat, humans eating these especially when fetus and kids become allergic.

Foods on the top of the food chain (fish, meat, milk, eggs, etc) contain 80 000 x more toxic products than those at the bottom of the fod chain (plant-based foods: fruits, vegetables, grains, nuts, etc)

At least 50 chemicals used in agro-business can cause cancers.

Meat usually contain 15 times more toxic residues than foods of the vegetal kingdom.

Plant/Meat comparision

There's not many vitamins, minerals and essential micronutrients in animal products. 
There's some decent amount of fat in many foods, not just butter, oils, etc. There's fats in lean meat too. Even cereals like oats, it's 16% fats. But, do you want that fat to be liquid and flow in your body and to be used as energy, or do you want that it stick in solid fatty matter into your veins, blocking the blood flow ? Think about it...  

See this video that explains all about animal products and their effects on our bodies.

Human: The Herbivore Animal

People who eat shark thins think it will preserve them from cancers, because sharks have less cancers than humans... 

People who eat brains from monkeys or cows think it will make them more intelligent...
If they could eat Einstein's brain they would do it...
I bet they don't know that Einstein was so intelligent without eating any brain, nor any other form of meat, in fact he was vegetarian. 

It is common to hear : "eat meat if you want to be muscular". Because people think : "eat muscles to have muscles. Eat proteins to have proteins." Of course. But their logic don't go any further than that. They don't seem to know that these animals gained muscles by eating grass. This is first order food. All proteins, in all food, including our own proteins, all come from plants. 
Vegetarian animals eat grass, grains, etc. Carnivorous animals eat vegetarian animals, to have some of the nutrients found in the vegetarian diet. Meat is a second order food. 

Most carnivore animals are weak parasites that have less stamina and strenght than herbivores. They are out of breathe after running for ten seconds and will not catch most of the preys. They need a factor of chance : to attack in the middle of a large group of preys so that they might catch a baby or one that is weak or sick. 
Hervivores, vegan and fruitarian animals are the strongest animals on Earth, with increddible strenght and endurance. Horses, donkeys, camels are used as slaves to do the work that humans are not able to do by eating meat, like pulling heavy loads over long distances. 

Some big herbivores and vegans : 
Gorillas, horses, rhinos, elephants, some of the largest dinosaurs like the Brachiosaurus (about 40 feet tall) and the Stegosaurus.  

Some dinosaurs were carnivores (meat-eaters)(35%) but most were herbivores (plant-eaters) (65%). In any food chain, there have to be more organisms at the lower levels of the chain because the transfer of food energy is inefficient and much of the energy is lost at each stage of the process.

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